tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post9185350821050072300..comments2024-02-29T09:58:18.342+01:00Comments on The Swiss Ramble: Manchester City's Amazing Deal: Know Your RightsThe Swiss Ramblerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11423088862174893998noreply@blogger.comBlogger86125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-23773956568325905602012-12-06T12:35:35.206+01:002012-12-06T12:35:35.206+01:00I think there is a little of the cart being before...I think there is a little of the cart being before the horse in the spirit of this deal i.e. if you are prescient enough to sponsor a team based on their future success then should you not pay a more reasonable amount for what is essentially a gamble?Hotels in Abu Dhabihttp://www.abet-uae.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-66989015718587241902012-02-03T19:29:10.416+01:002012-02-03T19:29:10.416+01:00the stuff he uses to reach these figures is based ...the stuff he uses to reach these figures is based on what city have done in the past and what they say they will do so i would say it reflects who they have in the money department so they will be broadly identicle so i think that proves that they know what there doing and look at what they have done with there other companies and the cvs of those people or the people at city now and you will find they know what they are doing stop being sillyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-15697578406290416852012-02-03T19:25:53.013+01:002012-02-03T19:25:53.013+01:00this is about those figures and im sure it is ment...this is about those figures and im sure it is mentioned in the articleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-27023492505304756402012-02-03T19:24:04.306+01:002012-02-03T19:24:04.306+01:00so investing in the stadium in the youth training...so investing in the stadium in the youth training facilites in the first team in charities in the local commnunity and respecting the fans wishes and making the club more successful and sustainable is disrespectful ok how very very strangeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-36588252216305645712012-01-16T20:52:55.390+01:002012-01-16T20:52:55.390+01:00It seems like you guys are more on top of their fi...It seems like you guys are more on top of their finances than they are! You would expect the biggest team in the premiership to have their ship in order in the money department!Marketing Consultant Manchesterhttp://www.getbusinessresults.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-53938294202207597032011-11-19T06:00:19.842+01:002011-11-19T06:00:19.842+01:00Newly published results of man city's financia...Newly published results of man city's financial year 2010-11 state losses of 197m....I hope you''ll do an analysis on these in the near future.....Thanks<br />An avid readerAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-46123871609653545342011-11-09T10:05:48.425+01:002011-11-09T10:05:48.425+01:00What City did is pushing the boundaries. From the ...What City did is pushing the boundaries. From the article it seems that's there's no fault. <br />But then again it only shows how a sugar daddy can buy success. Find a billionaire that would buy a football clubs as his toy, get his family member to support it with exuberant amount of sponsorship beyond the value of the club and mess with the whole spirit of fair play. It's as as usual great article - but it doesn't cover up the fact that City buy success. Nothing wrong with that, but for people who love class - it's just plain despicable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-1479132918518913782011-09-27T06:03:55.990+02:002011-09-27T06:03:55.990+02:00"If the net is cast a little wider, Bayern Mu..."If the net is cast a little wider, Bayern Munich’s sponsorship deal with Deutsche Telekom is worth around £23 million, though performance bonuses could take that above £25 million. That might seem reasonable for a club with Bayern’s tremendous record, but the value of deals at other German clubs is more debatable, particularly Schalke’s money-spinning deal with Gazprom."<br /><br />Its late and I haven't yet been able to digest the entire article, which appears to be well-researched and fair-minded but I've just selected this as an example.<br /><br />If one of the principles of Fair Play is that clubs with a history of achievement in Europe are permitted to obtain higher sponsorship income than clubs looking to break that 'cosy cartel' then that is clearly an unfair principle.<br /><br />This surplus of sponsorship income 'entitlement' gives those clubs, such as Bayern, an advantage to help pay higher wages, and thus attract a better quality of player, and helps to maintain a playing advantage over those clubs, like Man City, wishing to smash that protective barrier.<br />(all other things being equal, of course)<br /><br />Monopolies and cartels can only be broken by new entrants to a market incurring large losses over a short-to medium period of time in anticipation of generating sufficient income to ultimately gain in the medium to long term.<br /><br />Its irrelevant how the likes of Bayern, Man U, the two Spanish giants, and the top Italian clubs, have accumulated their various sources of revenue, by UEFA restricting the capacity of new entrants to challenge the 'cartel', they are effectively helping to perpetuate it.<br /><br />That is not 'fair play'.The Celtic Kagemushahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14622670899918761748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-7539602534595843862011-08-25T15:24:25.409+02:002011-08-25T15:24:25.409+02:00There's one aspect of all this that I feel has...There's one aspect of all this that I feel has been shamefully neglected by the media:<br /><br />It's utterly immoral what Man City are doing.<br /><br />The money they're spending on ridiculous fees and wages for football players rightly belongs to the people of The UAE. <br /><br />I hope Man City fans feel comfortable knowing that Yaya Toure's £250k-per-week is effectively coming straight out of the pockets of the people of The UAE, many of whom still live in shanty towns, suffering the most desperate poverty.<br /><br />Can you imagine the uproar there'd be if The Queen of England started spending hundreds of millions of taxpayer's money on football in Asia? <br /><br />It's absolutely outrageous what's going on at Man City, Chelsea, Malaga, PSG and Anzhi Machachkala. <br /><br />Forget football reasons, this should be prevented on purely ethical grounds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-87969646899200966032011-08-18T10:18:54.800+02:002011-08-18T10:18:54.800+02:00Interesting article Swiss. All that is missing is ...Interesting article Swiss. All that is missing is to show how anti-competitive these FFR's might well be viewed as. We have an EU that insists on competition for everything, whereby trains, hospitals and most other things you can name have to be competitive, we have stock markets and commodity markets which are about as deregulated as you can get, affecting millions of people, on the whims of a few people and all we can get worked up about is whether the 'G14' clubs will be able to dominate football for the foreseeable future. <br />Just a couple of points to close.<br />1. Mr Henry and his 10x best player argument. Just a small flaw. Who decides what this valuation is? Given the sums spent by his club on unproven players Mr Gerrard must be <br />worth £100M!!<br />2. What is the correct financial value of a ticket? Arsenal are charging a grotesque amount of cash to watch a selling club not win anything and yet this is the model to which we should all aspire. (if only we all had expensive real estate to sell as a start!).<br />3. For all man u's history they won the top division twice until 1952, 41 years after the second one. Prior to the premier league they averaged a league title every 11 years.<br />Liverpool are very much the same. One title every 11 years until a run of 11 in 14 years.<br />The no history argument is a spurious one where people confuse history with recent success. Interestingly both the blue teams in the NW major cities were formed well before their illustrious red counterparts ( indeed Everton have played more 'top flight' games than any other club. If only history was measured in time!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-39044860655972265912011-08-17T07:30:42.181+02:002011-08-17T07:30:42.181+02:00Has Mr Dehaaene read this? Surely he couldn't ...Has Mr Dehaaene read this? Surely he couldn't have any unanswered questions left if he did!Johnny Crossanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05936236277237002969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-63163332357439726162011-08-14T13:56:09.852+02:002011-08-14T13:56:09.852+02:00something very big Manchester city.something very big Manchester city.zip codes by cityhttp://www.zipcodeedo.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-85290343987484671132011-08-11T13:46:40.671+02:002011-08-11T13:46:40.671+02:00It's really excellent article. You are giving ...It's really excellent article. You are giving a most valuable details.<br />Analysis is more important that factors.SEO Companyhttp://1seocompany.com.aunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-1062741623508786142011-08-08T21:22:43.588+02:002011-08-08T21:22:43.588+02:00Brilliant article.
One thought about FFP: how wi...Brilliant article. <br /><br />One thought about FFP: how will italian teams, first and foremost Internazionale, cope with these regulations? Inter with big losses, but structure in Italy (bad stadiums top clubs, except Juve soon, not own themselves, hooliganism etc.) means less income than top clubs in other leagues. <br /><br />It would be interesting to see an analysis on how Inter would cope with Financial Fair Play, or italian teams in general for that sake? <br /><br />- DanielDaniel Røed-Johansennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-78160716111901186242011-08-04T17:50:50.501+02:002011-08-04T17:50:50.501+02:00There a few references to the work with the local ...There a few references to the work with the local community being a priori a good thing; there's nowhere near as much evidence for that as you'd think given the amount of claims made by football (as Supporters Direct's <a href="http://www.supporters-direct.org/page.asp?p=6442" rel="nofollow">research on the Social and Community Value of Football showed</a>.<br /><br />All of which is to say that if UEFA are going to allow sponsorship of this somewhat amorphous investment as an allowable income to offset player costs, they ned to be much clearer that the investment is being made to the tune which it is, and that it is a genuine community-facing investment.<br /><br />The former requires a degree of scrutiny and compliance which the current assessment doesn't seem to provide (and wouldn't have been agreed by the club had UEFA proposed it) and so like a local planning authority who extracts promises from developers which get broken, it's too late to do anything after the fact as the damage is done.<br /><br />Secondly, if community investment is to be used as a catch-all, then UEFA need to start building metrics into the assessment to evaluate the actual impact on the community, not the club's self-declared intended impact (again, called for in the SD research).Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01098647093435230168noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-17407493240144588942011-08-01T18:19:46.502+02:002011-08-01T18:19:46.502+02:00Hi Swiss,
Catching up with your latest pots. Afte...Hi Swiss,<br /><br />Catching up with your latest pots. After the news, I am glad you looked at the City deal in a separate article. As usual great stuff. <br /> <br />Although I accept the numbers would stack up, I still think this deal would not have happen if 1- Etihad had not been related to ManCity or 2- raising capital had been an issue for the owners of Etihad &/or City. So, yes it's not that different from other past dodgy deals in Spain or Germany (and it's much better than the United LBO extortion) but it remains really borderline competitive ... (I liked Henry's comment on the losing bid). <br /><br />As for Arsenal's more and more embarrassing commercial short-comings (price hikes, low commercial revenues), your recent articles clearly show that a revenues arms race is in full swing here and Arsenal is seriously falling behind. Either Ivan and his team deliver faster growth quickly or we will end up a second-tier European club like our north-London neighbours... <br /><br />As for those complaining that the FFP rules are creating a de-facto European elite, get real and check out this page: <br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-14. <br /><br />"G-14 members had won the European Cup/Champions League 41 times out of 51 seasons."<br /><br />"There have been only three Champions League or European Cup finals where both teams were non-members of G-14 (1970, 1979 and 1980)"<br /><br />It has been the case for the last 40 years!GreekGunnernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-30831744343310100322011-08-01T09:15:36.911+02:002011-08-01T09:15:36.911+02:00actually, city fans (and everyone else) agree with...actually, city fans (and everyone else) agree with the article because its factual, well-written, and isn't filled with typical-fan-emotive-responses such as "city are trying to buy the league". <br />If, after reading the article all you can reply with is <br /><br />"The truth is, and you can't get away from it, is that they are trying to get round the rules because there is no way that City generate enough revenue to sustain the spending"<br /><br />then you clearly lack the ability to articulate your reply properly or even understand the issue at handAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-61195097658166992702011-07-29T18:37:54.411+02:002011-07-29T18:37:54.411+02:00All these commenting City fans think that this art...All these commenting City fans think that this article is wonderful because they agree with it. If this article didn't favour Manchester City they would hate you. What I'm saying is that they love the article only because it favours City and not because it is a well written ( or not ) piece. <br /><br />The truth is, and you can't get away from it, is that they are trying to get round the rules because there is no way that City generate enough revenue to sustain the spending. I doubt whether United or Real madrid generate that kind of revenue. They are simply trying to buy their way to success very very quickly. That's upto them but the winning will mean nothing. The same argument has been labelled at United but there is a massive difference, United do it from their own generated revenue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-71444318890725883602011-07-28T17:02:54.245+02:002011-07-28T17:02:54.245+02:00Nice to see a balanced view - funny how the sponso...Nice to see a balanced view - funny how the sponsorship deal has risen from what was reported by the local Manchester Pressi.e.<br />£150M over 10 years with £20M to the council, as they actually own the stadium, to £400M by the time the big four lovin red top journals started squealing foul on behalf of their mentors.<br /><br />I like the comment from Liverpools Yank 'what was the losing bid' along with his assertion that the naming rights of a stadium should not be more than 10 times the value of your best player!!!!!!<br /><br />Well as Tevez is currently valued at £50M that makes this figure £500M - we've been sold short!!!!!!<br />So not only does this yank invent rules for ENGLISH football but maths is not his strongpoint either.<br /><br />If I was a Liverpool Fan I would be worried - sounds like he's as bright as Ronald Regan and went to the same school of economics as the Glazers - LOLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-60188022654814094052011-07-26T15:27:38.591+02:002011-07-26T15:27:38.591+02:00Superb, the best footie blog I read by a country m...Superb, the best footie blog I read by a country mile (why is it longer? Not so great and clever now) also in the naming no names comment about inflated transfers, obviously author won't say but can a reader please as missed the elbow pointing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-22886145143493918652011-07-26T11:32:59.585+02:002011-07-26T11:32:59.585+02:00I also love Henry's "What was the losing ...I also love Henry's "What was the losing bid" as I wonder what was the losing bid on the Standard Chartered deal, was it £1 a year less? I think not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-70562216182987623322011-07-25T19:24:00.946+02:002011-07-25T19:24:00.946+02:00you've pointed out the exact prejudice that pp...you've pointed out the exact prejudice that ppl have against city. And they look at this deal in that light. You obviously corrected their error with your knowledge and insight. I am impressed how much impact this deal will have. It will work as a kind of eye opener for other English football clubs. Mancity is both rich and smart.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-54870346617280101572011-07-25T05:50:49.335+02:002011-07-25T05:50:49.335+02:00Absolutely fantastic article. I know that it wasn&...Absolutely fantastic article. I know that it wasn't in support of your argument (which I completely agree with after reading your points), but I loved Henry's comment: "What was the losing bid?" Again, superb stuff.KLMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17960780094223085742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-89624438721764516652011-07-24T11:47:23.152+02:002011-07-24T11:47:23.152+02:00Excellent piece - tried working through the fair p...Excellent piece - tried working through the fair play rules (my word, they're convoluted - and i'm a CTA, i should be used to it) and precedent deals to get to a 'fair' valuation figure (i got to £300m) but didn't have anything like the level of detail shown above. Great work.<br /><br />To the person asking about VAT / tax above - if the fee agreed is (say) £40m plus VAT then yes, VAT would be payable in addition, but that wouldn't actually affect the net result of the money passing between the clubs, as this would be paid to the authorities by the selling club, and recovered by the buying club as input VAT.<br /><br />Where a transfer is 'cross-border' there might be added complexity, but this would probably just be the 'reverse charge' (buying club puts the VAT on the return as an in and out - net effect nil).<br /><br />The thing that <b>can</b> affect value is the payment of wages being 'after tax', as if the club takes on responsibility for also covering the tax bill, that adds another 66% on top of the wages agreed (s'line, 40% rate...)<br /><br />Anyway, great article, really interesting - thanks!PhilippaBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09091980183380957529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-63900271481268382032011-07-24T10:17:03.082+02:002011-07-24T10:17:03.082+02:00awesome article dude
agree with tottenham boy'...awesome article dude<br />agree with tottenham boy's comments too, adding that any change or challange to footballs major teams and PL top four is surely welcomed, and spending cash is going to be the only way to challange this elite!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com