tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post9024840166735227915..comments2024-02-29T09:58:18.342+01:00Comments on The Swiss Ramble: How Can Bayern Munich Pay Franck Ribery So Much?The Swiss Ramblerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11423088862174893998noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-87433571784984598072014-05-29T12:17:27.720+02:002014-05-29T12:17:27.720+02:00intriguing and immaculately researched article,,,S...intriguing and immaculately researched article,,,Strong German Economy and even more strong, die hard passion for football makes them so dominating,,,Only Barcelona can be compared to them in terms of Football Philosophy and Marketing. Mia san Mia. Hails Bundesliga. Rockyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05011287578607939686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-45152435874017858292012-02-09T07:45:57.169+01:002012-02-09T07:45:57.169+01:00Cricket Hospitality
nice post thanku for about inf...<a href="http://www.paragonhospitality.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">Cricket Hospitality</a><br />nice post thanku for about informationTwickenham Corporate Hospitalityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07847093597968902148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-25502442164575164972012-02-09T07:41:33.392+01:002012-02-09T07:41:33.392+01:00Cricket Hospitality
.I have never studied an artic...<a href="http://www.paragonhospitality.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">Cricket Hospitality</a><br />.I have never studied an article like this about the club's financial issues,marketing strategies or about their turnovers,revenues.nice postTwickenham Corporate Hospitalityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07847093597968902148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-74164881112571396462012-02-03T14:00:14.816+01:002012-02-03T14:00:14.816+01:00The Swiss Ramble Thanks. It's also more intere...The Swiss Ramble Thanks. It's also more interesting for me to research the business of football outside England, though it's much more difficult to get hold of the accounts!nice post thanx for sharingTwickenham Corporate Hospitalityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07847093597968902148noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-53917194526704848082010-12-09T02:16:06.582+01:002010-12-09T02:16:06.582+01:00Thanks for your reply...
Ok I understand now :)Thanks for your reply...<br /><br />Ok I understand now :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-74056782147215943392010-12-06T15:17:29.156+01:002010-12-06T15:17:29.156+01:00@bayernforum,
Deloittes do include the Allianz Ar...@bayernforum,<br /><br />Deloittes do include the Allianz Arena revenue in their Money League.<br /><br />Last year, Bayern's reported revenue was €303.8m, including €14.3m for profit on player sales. Deducting this gives €289.5m, which is the figure used in Deloittes' analysis for 2008/09. That comprised €254.4m from FC Bayern and €35.1m from the Allianz Arena.The Swiss Ramblerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11423088862174893998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-86890496970180783362010-12-06T14:37:20.968+01:002010-12-06T14:37:20.968+01:00Yes Bayern`s 2010 numbers are around 350 mil € and...Yes Bayern`s 2010 numbers are around 350 mil € and after transfer fees it comes to 323 mil €.<br /><br />But I dont understand why Delloitte dont take that amount into their accounts? They dont use that Allianz Arena revenue, even though it is Bayern Munchen EV company [they separated it just because they wanted to pay for itself]. But they are sole owners of the stadium and that revenue should be also used by Delloitte.<br /><br />If we turn €323 mil to pounds it should be around 274 million pounds. That is more than Manchester United`s revenue. And that means Bayern is taking that 3rd place from them.<br /><br />But let's see if delloitte will use that Allianz Arena revenue.bayernforum.comhttp://bayernforum.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-29365348491149835142010-12-04T11:30:27.318+01:002010-12-04T11:30:27.318+01:00I think Robert is right. And I think there's a...I think Robert is right. And I think there's another reason why Bayerns commercial income (and generally the commercial income from german clubs) is so high: it is because Germany has (a) the highest population of Europe and (b) has the biggest economy of Europe. So it's easier for the clubs to find strong financial partners, because of the strong german economy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-49951380762297317332010-11-30T23:06:51.344+01:002010-11-30T23:06:51.344+01:00Bayerns 2009/10 numbers were freed today. With the...Bayerns 2009/10 numbers were freed today. With the stadium, they stood at € 350,2 M. Transfer fees were at € 27,2 M. That will probably leave them at € 323 M for the Deloitte Football Money League, if I remember correctly, that the transfer fees were the only ones subtracted from the consolidated accounts, to make it into that number.<br /><br />G, Oslo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-27245693273399035462010-09-07T08:57:07.942+02:002010-09-07T08:57:07.942+02:00I am a big football fan and i love EPL and i was m...I am a big football fan and i love EPL and i was more concerned about their financial woes and didnt like PL's administration policies and didnt like the way some clubs are breaking records by bringing any player from any football club at any time.I was thinking about some ways of dealing with these issues and improving PL's policies.I have never studied an article like this about the club's financial issues,marketing strategies or about their turnovers,revenues.So thanks for the insight provided by you and it was really helpful to me in understanding how people run their clubs succesfully.Eagerly awaiting for more such articles!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-41383118834363241692010-08-28T02:55:17.407+02:002010-08-28T02:55:17.407+02:00Thanks a lot for this very interesting article!
T...Thanks a lot for this very interesting article!<br /><br />To make you a little bit more jealous... My season-ticket (standing terraces right behind the goal) costs 120 EUR for all 17 domestic games :-)<br /><br />Bye Flo<br /><br />Btw.: Boris Becker has left the clubs management advisory board (Verwaltungsbeirat des FCB e.V.) end of 2009.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-57284863359157196652010-08-20T16:19:55.210+02:002010-08-20T16:19:55.210+02:00@Robert,
That's a very good point - the conne...@Robert,<br /><br />That's a very good point - the connection between the free TV and commercial revenue.<br /><br />Thanks a lot for taking the time to provide that detail.The Swiss Ramblerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11423088862174893998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-81104937228191040722010-08-20T16:12:19.620+02:002010-08-20T16:12:19.620+02:00hi swiss rambler,
just stumbled over your blog wh...hi swiss rambler,<br /><br />just stumbled over your blog while reading the comment section of a guardian article concerning the summer spending in the pl. i like it very much, even if you support aresenal (which is probably the most likeable english club). <br /><br />i'm from germany myself and i think one of the reasons why all of the german clubs are doing relativly well in the commercial section (note that schalke and dortmund by no means to ten european clubs but still in the top ten in this area) is the tv market in germany. <br /><br />it is is very differnt from england, italy and spain(don't know about france). we have more then 30 free tv stations either financed by commercials or the GEZ (where every tv/radio/pc/mobile phone etc. owner has to pay approx. 20€/month and gets nearly commercial free and commerce/politicics independent information and entertainment) which show a lot of live football and contemporary game summaries<br /><br />therefor paytv doesnt sell well in germany, hence the low revenue out of domestic broadcasting rights. but because of all this coverage you can watch a lot of football and many people watch football a lot. therefor it might be more present then in england and sponsorchip is simply worth more.<br /><br />cheers, good luck this season, robertAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-57417743201680082812010-08-09T18:43:11.785+02:002010-08-09T18:43:11.785+02:00@fermin,
If you'll forgive me, I'd like t...@fermin,<br /><br />If you'll forgive me, I'd like to leave my response on the Spanish system for a possible future article.The Swiss Ramblerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11423088862174893998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-29384353572838863682010-08-09T16:39:33.187+02:002010-08-09T16:39:33.187+02:00Excellent article.
With regards to the ownership ...Excellent article. <br />With regards to the ownership model, it is still interesting to see how the Bayern model is similar to that of Madrid and Barcelona, and still both these clubs have been able to get all that debt on their balances.<br />As a spaniard, I remember well when for financial health reasons, all highly indebted clubs were forced to become limited companies. All except Madrid, Barcelona, Bilbao and Osasuna, i think.<br />Time has shown how some of the privately owned clubs still got into trouble (valencia, mallorca, atletico, etc...) while the big two have never suffered too much, albeit a mad spending spree (already read your article on Barsa's finances and Rosell over-conservatism).<br />What are the flaws of the spanish system?ferminnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-56913447386759605822010-08-09T10:28:42.503+02:002010-08-09T10:28:42.503+02:00@SF,
Thanks. I think that's exactly right. My...@SF,<br /><br />Thanks. I think that's exactly right. My guess is that English clubs have indeed been lazy on the commercial side, as they have been supported by the ever-increasing TV money. However, I sense that this is changing.The Swiss Ramblerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11423088862174893998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-88948008508197390122010-08-07T21:51:48.082+02:002010-08-07T21:51:48.082+02:00Excellent blog, thanks for writing. The vast diffe...Excellent blog, thanks for writing. The vast differences between Bayern (and also Real and Barca) and the English teams' commercial revenue figures highlight how lazy/naive the Premiership teams have been in exploiting wider commercial activities. In particular, the relatively low revenue generated by Manchester United and Liverpool, despite their worldwide fanbase and the strength of the brands, is surprising.SFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-45196857414894949842010-07-22T09:19:37.613+02:002010-07-22T09:19:37.613+02:00Thanks, G.
The short answer is "yes". B...Thanks, G.<br /><br />The short answer is "yes". Bayern have a completely different business model to English clubs with a far more balanced revenue mix. They may receive less in TV revenue, but this means that they are less reliant on that revenue stream. They are masters of maximising commercial revenue, so the danger for Bayern might come if the top English clubs also woke up to these possibilities. There are signs that this is happening.The Swiss Ramblerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11423088862174893998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-52129533213202462522010-07-22T00:51:14.432+02:002010-07-22T00:51:14.432+02:00Great, great article which I forgot to comment on ...Great, great article which I forgot to comment on the first time I read it.<br /><br />As a Bayern-fan from Norway (my german is quite good, out of need - coverage of the Bundesliga in perhaps the most anglo-centric country in the world is scarce..) with a particular interest in football economics generally, an english language article with such fantastic research into the running of Bayern, was a real gem. <br /><br />Keep up the good work!<br /><br />Could you offer a short 10 cents into whether you think Bayern, with newfound success on the pitch, a huge Audi-Deal which will allow them to pay down the AA in 4-5 years time etc. can keep pace with the biggest english teams in terms of income, or do you think the limitations of the tv-deals might be too much to overcome?<br /><br />Cheers! G, OsloAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-31167222156039539042010-07-15T19:15:39.389+02:002010-07-15T19:15:39.389+02:00@swissrambler, thanks for your response. I do hop...@swissrambler, thanks for your response. I do hope some elements of your future analysis toward a commercial strategy for Arsenal might be shared, and certainly with the club!<br /><br />One concern I do have about our commercial success is that it rests in part on our on-field success and recruitment of recognizable, marketable world class players (and the ability to exploit their commercial image). Both elements require, I think, championship caliber performances in our two main competitions somewhat more regularly than the last five year interval has allowed, for various reasons. Market position in Asia and North America can be lost without providing that sort of success, particularly if Arsenal doesn't make these pre-season tours and visits.<br /><br />While much could be done to improve our commercial operations, we would see a big boost with a PL title or a return to the CL final to drive an improved marketing strategy.limestonegunnernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-19053457621293841162010-07-14T21:12:22.256+02:002010-07-14T21:12:22.256+02:00Fascinating piece, well-researched and I really en...Fascinating piece, well-researched and I really enjoyed it, thanks.Adamhttp://ghostgoal.co.uk/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-30720069267704140112010-07-13T08:55:38.447+02:002010-07-13T08:55:38.447+02:00@limestonegunner,
Great minds think alike ...
I ...@limestonegunner,<br /><br />Great minds think alike ...<br /><br />I have been considering writing an article with my thoughts on a financial template for success, but not entirely sure that I want to put it in the public domain!<br /><br />One very obvious thing for Arsenal to do would be to look at what continental clubs like Bayern Munich have done, maybe even speak to them directly, as it is very evident that they are much more advanced on the commercial side. In my opinion, English clubs have been very lazy here, as they have relied on the continual increases in TV money, so have not had to look at marketing.<br /><br />Gazidis has completely restructured his commercial team, bringing in some heavy hitters, so we should anticipate some improvements at Arsenal, though this will probably have to wait until the main deals com to an end.The Swiss Ramblerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11423088862174893998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-55041575091084112872010-07-12T20:16:08.907+02:002010-07-12T20:16:08.907+02:00Thank you for another well-researched piece with a...Thank you for another well-researched piece with a great deal of analysis and insight. One thing I would appreciate in this article is a final assessment of how Arsenal and Bayern compare, with an eye to what Arsenal needs to do and how. I am an Arsenal supporter as well, so I appreciate your comparisons along the way, but would have liked a more pointed conclusion about the position of Arsenal through this example. What is Bayern able to do in its commercial strategy that Arsenal could learn from and what is unique to its context? This might help us also understand what unique opportunities Arsenal might exploit in its own context as well.<br /><br />I understand you wrote this article some time ago, but the issues you write about are not ephemeral, even if timely. So perhaps you might come back to my questions here at some point in the comments or in a future article about Arsenal and its commercial opportunities and strategy.<br /><br />Thanks again for such illuminating articles.limestonegunnernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-66790091026658901012010-06-17T08:35:47.791+02:002010-06-17T08:35:47.791+02:00@Anonymous (2:34),
Actually I have a lot of time ...@Anonymous (2:34),<br /><br />Actually I have a lot of time for Boris, who has proved to be an excellent pundit at Wimbledon since he retired from tennis (and coincidentally lived just down the road from me in Switzerland for a while), but he seems a slightly strange choice as a Bayern Munich director, given that so many of their management team already have a very distinguished football background, mainly with Bayern.<br /><br />Anyway, I did not know that he was offered a place at Bayern's academy, so thanks for that interesting snippet.The Swiss Ramblerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11423088862174893998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-79191199994150332472010-06-17T02:34:45.842+02:002010-06-17T02:34:45.842+02:00Thanks for the article :-)
Just one note re "...Thanks for the article :-)<br /><br />Just one note re "Boris Becker, who is bizarrely a Bayern Munich director" - I believe Boris was, as a teen, good at both tennis and football. He was offered a spot with Bayern Munich's youth academy/team/something before he chose to go pro with tennis at 17 (a few months before he won his first Wimbledon title). Point is, he and Bayern go way back! Mind you, I read that in print like, a decade ago, and I can't find online proof of it. (Maybe I google bad, I dunno.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com