tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post7783794114033364291..comments2024-02-29T09:58:18.342+01:00Comments on The Swiss Ramble: Atletico Madrid - It's A Mad WorldThe Swiss Ramblerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11423088862174893998noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-65217206157168775022015-04-30T02:43:30.634+02:002015-04-30T02:43:30.634+02:00great article,everything said is true. but two yea...great article,everything said is true. but two years later, we won the league, how can it be posible?<br /><br /> ... Atlético is different, Atlético is passion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-28554214353158339652012-09-19T11:50:20.388+02:002012-09-19T11:50:20.388+02:00The big 2 should bail out those clubs for the simp...The big 2 should bail out those clubs for the simple reason that the La Liga is played by 20 teams, not 2 teams, and if the quality of the La Liga teams drop it's virtually impossible for Barca and Madrid not to suffer. A future where no one wants to watch Madrid and Barca play against crap Spanish teams is looking more and more possible, and will happen if nothing is done to solve the woes of the non big 2 clubs in Spain. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-37228650404894509242012-09-14T23:20:57.757+02:002012-09-14T23:20:57.757+02:00This is an amazing article. I would love to do so...This is an amazing article. I would love to do some data work myself (mostly comparing and contrasting the rise of Tottenham vs. the rise of Man City) and I must ask: where do you get your data? Surely you don't go through annual reports one by one... but if you do.. Bravo.<br /><br />FFP gives us a fascinating look at overspending and competitive parity. Knowing where this data comes from is a huge first step to figuring out more. Thanks!Matt Bargerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03141086911341004346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-33525455316521589052012-09-08T21:41:20.435+02:002012-09-08T21:41:20.435+02:00UTD got more revenue from TV pool which is mainly ...UTD got more revenue from TV pool which is mainly due to their success in recent times which increases the fan base for them. if you excluded TV pool money then you will see the actual money they get from UEFA. TV pool money comes from the broadcasters/Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08070077657571033928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-52741595556373186742012-09-07T08:27:19.097+02:002012-09-07T08:27:19.097+02:00I have not yet had a chance to read through your a...I have not yet had a chance to read through your article (a fine read I expect to be sure!). However, it is very interesting that the FA yesterday has finally presented a discussion for an FA, ie domestic, regulation of salaries through the imposition of some sort of salary cap in the english game.<br /><br />This is something that exists in the US for a long time. The workings of I understand are complex, but the consensus is that they manage to achieve a greater competitive balance between teams. Do you have any views on whether such system is necessary in addition to UEFA FFP or indeed whether it would redundant to it? I'm doing my own thinking on this, and especially where such rules would be imposed in the england but not in the other EU markets (noting the ever culprits Barca and Real), would this utlimately damage the english teams in terms of CL success (though obviously their ability to participate would not be affected).<br /><br />http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/sep/06/premier-league-salary-capLeGoonernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-27950529209903933082012-09-06T15:40:45.880+02:002012-09-06T15:40:45.880+02:00As a fan of FC Barcelona, it must be stressed that...As a fan of FC Barcelona, it must be stressed that although there needs to be a collective TV deal for all teams to enjoy TV money, we must remember that the "Big Two" are not responsible for the financial mess that the other clubs are in. The "Big Two" aren't responsible for the idiocy of Soler mounting tonnes of debt on Valencia, and they sure as hell aren't responsible for the criminal Presidents such as the Gil Family and Del Nido of Sevilla. From the perspective of the big two, why should they bail out these clubs, when they have shown themselves to be irresponsible. Obviously the "Big Two" can get into a mess to, but because both are more than sports clubs and more like national institutions they would be able to alleviate any financial mess. Ultimately would a collective TV Deal be that much of a help to the other clubs. Sid lowe, a football journalist based in Spain had stated that most people want to watch the "Big Two" play and the other clubs viewership is at its best when they are playing the "Big Two". One option that could work would be to help effect change of management in the clubs, but this would create many problems. Personally I would want a collective deal, so some of the smaller clubs can get a chance to compete or at least get out of insolvency, but the history of poor management in most Spanish clubs means that they would probably just squander the extra cash. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-19155441953499929902012-09-04T19:03:28.016+02:002012-09-04T19:03:28.016+02:00Atletico's chief just said if they dont qualif...Atletico's chief just said if they dont qualify for CL this season they will have to sell Adrian, Turan and Falcao, maybe more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-71415714778924615972012-09-04T15:44:30.316+02:002012-09-04T15:44:30.316+02:00Thanks. Yes, I meant two years (24 months) between...Thanks. Yes, I meant two years (24 months) between the two Europa League victories, but accept that this was misleading, so have now corrected.The Swiss Ramblerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11423088862174893998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-57550012123584014772012-09-01T17:18:08.748+02:002012-09-01T17:18:08.748+02:00Excellent article, which seems to say that Atletic...Excellent article, which seems to say that Atletico are doing pretty well given the nature of the sloping pitch that is La Liga.<br />A minor point; they've won The Europa League twice in three seasons, which isn't the same as two years. nuff saidsloftslimenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-69354790473755125122012-09-01T15:02:42.972+02:002012-09-01T15:02:42.972+02:00Great team - Atletico win in UEFA Super CUP 4:1 ht...Great team - Atletico win in UEFA Super CUP 4:1 http://stadiony-swiata.pl/atletico-zdemolowalo-chelsea-wielki-mecz-radamela-falcao/administratorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09969089538085820685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-65005907727108042912012-08-31T22:34:37.540+02:002012-08-31T22:34:37.540+02:00never forgiven them for still worse unsporting beh...never forgiven them for still worse unsporting behaviour ive ever seen at parkhead glasgow in 70s against Celtic hope they go out of businessAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-30850703932430448992012-08-30T22:24:49.096+02:002012-08-30T22:24:49.096+02:00Thank you sir anonymous . This is one of the best ...Thank you sir anonymous . This is one of the best blog out there and there is no place for BS here. This question was not for you and if you think you have the answer then please show some sense to read the question first otherwise silence is gold if can understand what I meanZbashirmdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-2259460921796618662012-08-29T20:46:42.068+02:002012-08-29T20:46:42.068+02:00Great posts as always sir.
By any chance, do you ...Great posts as always sir.<br /><br />By any chance, do you have a quick update on the Schalke 04 debt situation? <br /><br /><br />ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-5727111039700964002012-08-29T15:25:12.221+02:002012-08-29T15:25:12.221+02:00Excellent article. Not sure I can agree with your ...Excellent article. Not sure I can agree with your desription of Luis Aragones as legendary, remembering not only his recent dubious outbursts, but also his involvement in his club's thuggish brutality of the truly legendary Jimmy Johnstone in the 1974 European Cup semi final versus Celtic.Pacohttp://www.delanterocentro.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-53703806332447957292012-08-28T10:56:29.117+02:002012-08-28T10:56:29.117+02:00I'd suggest the wandering gypsies of Woolwich ...I'd suggest the wandering gypsies of Woolwich return to their homeland and raise the price of prawn sandwiches to cover the growing deficit.<br /><br />OK on a serious note, I think the reported one billion from Abramovich's pocket might be a clue in where the gap outside of standard revenue has come from....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-59041517561070153602012-08-27T18:55:28.326+02:002012-08-27T18:55:28.326+02:00Atletico de Madrid til' death!
It is great th...Atletico de Madrid til' death!<br /><br />It is great that we can read this impressive and clear article in a private blog while no details appear in Spanish (corrupted) press. La Liga is dead, it just need to be buried now. Just FC Barcelona and Real Madrid get all privileges (and money of course), being the rest of the teams just useless third part. They all should stop playing until things get fair. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-76431306417853088682012-08-27T16:55:21.872+02:002012-08-27T16:55:21.872+02:00Great article. Do you know by any chance how come ...Great article. Do you know by any chance how come that Atletico, Valencia & Co. are PLCs whilst Real and Barca are still owned by their members? ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-83341320407848650902012-08-27T15:59:19.362+02:002012-08-27T15:59:19.362+02:00Thank you so much for the info, but i think you fo...Thank you so much for the info, but i think you forgot to check this one (*) where there is more updated info about atletico's debts. The new spanish government have arranged new payment systems with the spanish clubs in order to get the situation solved by 2017. AUPA ATLETI<br />Thank you. Felixin.<br /> <br />* http://ecodiario.eleconomista.es/futbol/noticias/4173214/08/12/Hacienda-y-el-Atletico-de-Madrid-de-alumno-desastroso-a-pagador-aventajado.html?utm_source=crosslink&utm_medium=flashAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-58624076504710074682012-08-23T12:38:55.014+02:002012-08-23T12:38:55.014+02:00Thank you so much for this report, which I have be...Thank you so much for this report, which I have been waiting for years, as an Atlético fan who does not trust Spanish sports press (like any self-respecting Spanish footballf fan by the way). Your blog is a true gem, and the amount of work you must pour into it must be hard to imagine. If that helps you, for many including myself, yours is the best blog on football finances in the world by a mile and one of the best on football overall. Please become Atlético's Financial Director and you will never get bored. Forza Atleti! Atleti hasta la muerte!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-22656859795402423242012-08-22T18:06:31.181+02:002012-08-22T18:06:31.181+02:00The last 25 years, the time since the Gils got hol...The last 25 years, the time since the Gils got hold of Atleti have been an eyewatering succession of shameful events. To qualify them as poor management is being indulgent. Should we have a fit and proper person test in Spain, all the clauses in the test would have been breached by this family.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-32337071738772049002012-08-21T22:07:01.439+02:002012-08-21T22:07:01.439+02:00If you think Atlético's debts are massive and ...If you think Atlético's debts are massive and their club is poorly run, you should take a look at the three biggest clubs in Portugal.<br /><br />Total debts of Porto are at least 300M€ (Their remaining stadium debt is unclear). Sporting had their finances audited for the whole group early this year, and it now stands over 400M€. Benfica has total debts of around 500M€. Not only that, but their turnover is much smaller than Atlético's (since 2009).<br /><br />By the way, great blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-61071622105949102152012-08-21T19:18:28.882+02:002012-08-21T19:18:28.882+02:00Swiss
Great blog as always. thank you and well d...Swiss <br /><br />Great blog as always. thank you and well done<br /><br />Few questions if you don't mind answering please as these are slightly off topic<br /><br />1. Arsenal reached the knock stage of CL and ManU got knocked out earlier however they got more CL money than Arsenal. Initially I thought it may be linked to league position but then City are not in your table so I cannot say if they got more money than United. Any explanation ?<br /><br />2. Given that commercial income is the biggest gap between Arsenal and ManU at the moment, what Arsenal can do to mimimize the gap (apart from winning trophies, of course). At the time of renewals of commercial deals in 2014, realistically how much Arsenal can expect on top of around 50 Million they are getting at the moment? Another related point is that Chelsea despite their recent success (more than 13 trophies) since Roman took over, their commerical income is not much better than Arsenal which says to me that winning trophies alone may not be enough to bridge that gap. Any thoughts on that will be appreciated zbashirmdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-47949517450757334412012-08-21T11:13:29.710+02:002012-08-21T11:13:29.710+02:00Outstanding work explaining complex financial deta...Outstanding work explaining complex financial details in easy to understand language. <br /><br />As a long term fan of La Liga, my side Sporting Gijón got relegated and if they don't come back up at the first attempt, then they will be stuck in the cesspool.<br /><br />La Liga and the LFP are a joke, it really should just have a best of 39 series between Barcelona and Real Madrid. No financial governance at all, unlike in England or Germany clubs not getting punished for going into financial administration. 6 clubs in the top division last season Zaragoza, Granada, Mallorca, Racing Santander, Betis and Rayo Vallecano were in admin. No 10 point penalty, a whole lot of nothing.<br /><br />Atleti fans don't deserve to have these parasites as owners and Jesus Gil I remember when they won the double and he was asked the difference "This year we have a right bunch of men, last season we had a punch of poofters who walked off the field because they had runny noses". <br /><br />Even if they somehow manage to get rid of Gil and Cerezo how do they know the new owners won't be worse. Not like they have the clubs best interests at heart or believe in financial responsibility.<br /><br />If Jorge Mendes is involved then it can never be good. Not sure if they will ever pay their taxes, then again the LFP won't apply sanctions to the cycle continues. They need to get rid of 3rd parties ownership of contracts.<br /><br />The Germans should run La Liga, the situation where the Big 2 are just swallowing up everything to the detriment of the competition has lead to a player drain from the other Spanish clubs to Germany or England. Even if there was a collective TV deal not like Barca or RM would lose their dominant position in the market.Nilsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-543477096799170812012-08-21T02:03:26.702+02:002012-08-21T02:03:26.702+02:00I wouldn't be surprised if Cerezo will soon be...I wouldn't be surprised if Cerezo will soon be prompted to sell Juanfran, Godin, Adrian, Turan, and Falcao in a fire sale fashion, just as what Cragnotti did to Lazio with its marquee players in 2003-2004.Major Formellohttp://lazioanalytical.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-68137674353604163322012-08-20T23:07:05.379+02:002012-08-20T23:07:05.379+02:00As an Atleti supporter with limited Spanish it'...As an Atleti supporter with limited Spanish it's great to see all this information laid out in English so a layman like me can understand it. Very informative, but also very disturbing.Asimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03843969050164434396noreply@blogger.com