tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post5828910012774832350..comments2024-02-29T09:58:18.342+01:00Comments on The Swiss Ramble: Celtic – If You Know The HistoryThe Swiss Ramblerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11423088862174893998noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-9324158737571381272017-03-13T19:30:29.488+01:002017-03-13T19:30:29.488+01:00Good post.Good post.Tony M.http://entryleveljobscam.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-12743227862026213922010-12-30T22:09:07.972+01:002010-12-30T22:09:07.972+01:00Interesting reading SR.
I take it the reason that...Interesting reading SR.<br /><br />I take it the reason that you've not chosen to analyse Rangers' accounts, is that they are so byzantine in their complexity, intertwined as they are with those of the club's owners Murray Internatioal Group, as to be baffling beyond comprehension?<br /><br />If you did carry out such an investigation, I'd be interested on your thoughts concerning the role of the club's bankers, Lloyds TSB, which in defiance of all business sense, is determined to hamstring Rangers manager Walter Smith's attempts to improve his limited (in numbers) squad, despite the obvious fact that the only way it can retrieve it's loans, is for the club to again retain the championship, thus qualifying for the opportunity to gain entry to the riches of the Champions League.<br /><br />Perhaps this is the most baffling aspect of Rangers' finances, made even more puzzling by the Scottish media's (sport & financial) reluctance to ask the obvious searching questions of Lloyds TSB's debt recovery strategy towards the club.Rangeristanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-46342254819148264432010-12-03T22:19:48.712+01:002010-12-03T22:19:48.712+01:00The only way fair way that the Old Firm could join...The only way fair way that the Old Firm could join the Premier League would be to move their reserves to bottom of the English set up, working their way up the while continuing in the SPL. Once they have inevitably progressed to the top, then disband their Scottish entity or turn that into a reserve side.<br />As for the Atlantic league, I don't think it would be like the Europa league because the clubs chosen would have such a large fan base. Benfica, Porto, Sporting, Ajax, PSV, Feyenoord, Standard, Club Brugge, Anderlect. I'm pretty sure all those clubs have European honour to their name or at least reached a final.<br />Its a big difference from Legia Warsaw vs. NAC Breda.Jamienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-77719135631176332972010-11-03T10:11:18.210+01:002010-11-03T10:11:18.210+01:00@Jeff B,
Your proposal would certainly gain the c...@Jeff B,<br /><br />Your proposal would certainly gain the clubs respect, but the financial issues might be prohibitive, especially as such a move would presumably mean that neither Celtic or Rangers would benefit from the Champions League.The Swiss Ramblerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11423088862174893998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-82394648727651979502010-11-03T10:09:44.730+01:002010-11-03T10:09:44.730+01:00@Kevin Breslin,
I think you have a point. The cur...@Kevin Breslin,<br /><br />I think you have a point. The current SPL deal is worth such a small amount that there must be scope for improvement and there's no doubt that the Old Firm games are the jewel in the crwon.The Swiss Ramblerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11423088862174893998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-89054421955768027392010-11-02T13:50:10.809+01:002010-11-02T13:50:10.809+01:00Hi Swiss,
what would be the implications of one o...Hi Swiss,<br /><br />what would be the implications of one of the old firm actually applying to enter the English football league at League 2 level. Obviously finances would be stretched but given their loyal support which is the basis of most of their revenue, could this not be an option with a 5 year plan to get into the Premiership. Would certainly get most neutrals respect and could fill some lower division grounds along the way.Jeff Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-90374222900748132532010-10-18T12:19:39.490+02:002010-10-18T12:19:39.490+02:00Hi Swiss, I enjoyed reading your blogs
I know thi...Hi Swiss, I enjoyed reading your blogs<br /><br />I know this is an older topic but with the Old Firm playing this sunday I wanted to get your opinion on something important to this article and Celtic and Rangers future<br /><br />Ok, I can't see the old firm getting into the EPL any time soon. Celtic have behaved prudently and the hope was that if during this recession, big teams started to fail across Europe that were over burdened in debt, Celtic along with a side like Arsenal would come to the fore. However it looks unlikely and the smaller leagues seem at a constant disadvantage that cannot be bridged without a European super league<br /><br /><br />My point is regarding the here and now in TV rights. Celtci v Rangers is on Sunday at 12:45 on Sky Sports 4( a channel people without Sky or Virgin cannot recievce) while Man Utd v SToke is on Sky Sports one at same time. Celtic played Dundee utd yesterday on same channel while the Merseyside Derby was on SKy Sports One. Celtic also played Inverness on Sky Sports one while Man city played Spurs at same time at the start of season<br /><br />All in all, Celtic are being shown on a side channel and going against big EPL teams for Tv audiences and all for a paltry £2 million a season.<br /><br />Would Celtic not be better kicking this TV deal into touch and even just showing highlights on BBC Scotland and getting the sell out games shown(like NFL does with TV rights). They can control their own schedule better and also have a better chance of maximising revenue through aqcuirng new fans, who are been lost to the lustre of the EPL.<br /><br />If they continue with present arrrangement, I cannot see much growth in their fanbase, as football fans will be reluctant to follow the big team in Scotland playing is small grounds with pitches that sometimes have limited amounts of grass on show while Man Utd/ Liverppol are on another channel at the same time<br /><br />Regards<br />KevinKevin Breslinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06296248819039232208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-4540672076346591492010-10-05T22:46:46.437+02:002010-10-05T22:46:46.437+02:00Interesting article, there seems no way out withou...Interesting article, there seems no way out without spending more than Rangers have.<br /><br />In that respect I wasa wondering if you have an equivalent wages to revenue chart for Rangers over the same period or could point to where I can gather the info?<br /><br />The figures quoted are for the full staff cost of around 500 not just the football operations. I was working on a 15/85 split of non footbal to football. Does that sound about right at both clubs?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-41497724749704406562010-09-10T15:47:53.404+02:002010-09-10T15:47:53.404+02:00This blog is excellentThis blog is excellentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-91635763809679361692010-09-10T02:06:47.704+02:002010-09-10T02:06:47.704+02:00Excellent article. As a Celtic supporter since the...Excellent article. As a Celtic supporter since the 1960s, I have to say that while I would enjoy seeing Celtic back amongst the top teams in Europe, at the same time there is something truly obscene about the huge fortunes that are collected in wages by today's players. <br />I for one have no appetite for being part of Murdoch's circus and if the price to be paid for that is exclusion from the hyper-reality of the highly suspect adjunct to the bookmaking business which professional football now seems to be, then so be it. <br />I seriously doubt the integrity of the most lucrative competitions and the further a decent supporter stays away from them, the healthier he or she will be.<br />God forbid that Celtic ever sinks to the depths of 7-time European Champions AC Milan who seem to get punished every decade for match-fixing but obviously deem it to be a worthwhile exercise since that doesn't stop them from raking in over £100 million a year in TV and other commercial revenue.<br />It would be a naive board of directors who genuinely believed that they could compete against that degree of corruption on a level playing field simply by paying out millions on higher wages for footballers when many of the most significant and influential events clearly take place well away from the field of play.HenryClarsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00554908805145328796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-75475270918895478712010-09-09T11:41:56.069+02:002010-09-09T11:41:56.069+02:00Yep great ....Business Cash Advance LeadsYep great ....<a href="http://www.leadsimplicity.com/other_lead_types.htm" rel="nofollow">Business Cash Advance Leads</a>paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15460153092544079665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-34381566605373124562010-09-08T22:29:32.359+02:002010-09-08T22:29:32.359+02:00Swiss,
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gerry@ntvcelticf...Swiss,<br /><br />Please get in touch with<br /><br />gerry@ntvcelticfanzine.com<br /><br />Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-80580160855358198932010-09-07T15:39:06.381+02:002010-09-07T15:39:06.381+02:00your comments regarding european football and what...your comments regarding european football and what jr, bq and pl said are misleading. you are confusing european football with champions league football. john reid's comments concerned the difference between cl and el football, peter lawwell didnt contradict himself, the budget will not include form cl group stage football, but will include some income from european football.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-8280217951792157732010-09-07T15:33:49.498+02:002010-09-07T15:33:49.498+02:00My understanding was that Tony Mowbray and his tea...My understanding was that Tony Mowbray and his team were on gardening leave...i.e. continuing to be paid their salaries but this would stop if they took up alternative employment...I may be mistaken thoughCerdannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-57877387533016568952010-09-06T10:09:38.253+02:002010-09-06T10:09:38.253+02:00Excellent article mr Rambler. Only one sticking po...Excellent article mr Rambler. Only one sticking point for me - <br /><br />"but the Premier League sees its future earnings expansion mainly coming from overseas TV rights and sponsorship, to which it was felt the Scottish clubs would not greatly contribute"<br /><br />Celtic has a vastly greater overseas TV appeal than clubs such as Blackpool, West Brom and even Newcastle who were promoted from the Championship last season. In fact, outwith the top four or five clubs in the Premiership the main "attraction" of clubs such as Wigan and Fulham to overseas TV audiences is simply their participation in the most hyped league in the world. Take them out of the league and this "attraction" disappears. I'd be interested in hearing the case Cardiff City are a more attractive proposition in terms of overseas TV audiences than Celtic.<br /><br />However, you hit the nail on the head with the point that turkeys won't vote for Xmas. I find it difficult as a Celtic supporter to come up with a moral argument to convince the chap who expressed displeasure at Celtic and Rangers leapfrogging other English championship teams. Yes, Glasgow Celtic are bigger than each and every one of them, but that is not a moral argument. If the league was based on the biggest clubs being in the top leagues then Leeds, Nottm Forest, Derby Co and Sheff Wed would all be in the Premiership now. But football is better for the competitive element that leads to unpredictability.<br /><br />Another argument that is often banded about, by Dermot Desmond himself no less, to assure us that Celtic and our Glasgow rivals will be admitted to the Premiership one day is "TV will make it happen".<br /><br />Well, standing aside from the obvious self-interest in such a scenatio, something that football fans of any club are not good at, I for one would not be happy with TV companies dictating which league specific clubs play in. <br /><br />I can easily envisage who Murdoch's Empire would rather see win a Leeds Utd v Colchester championship play-off final. We have already seen the thin end of the wedge in international football, where FIFA & UEFA have seeded the play-off stages of the European qualification groups, ostensibly to ease the passage of the nations with the biggest TV markets. Last year Slovenia to their eternal credit put a spanner in that particular works by knocking out Russia.<br /><br />Anyway, all in all a very insightful and lucid article Mr Rambler, the likes of which is rarely seen among the gaggle of pro-Rangers mouthpieces which passes as a football media in ScotlandTony Bananashttp://celticparanoia.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-51933022107724080742010-09-04T18:32:08.635+02:002010-09-04T18:32:08.635+02:00@CelticGaffer,
I don't know whether it would ...@CelticGaffer,<br /><br />I don't know whether it would require a unanimous vote, but according to the Times, when the idea was last debated in November 2009, "the clubs voted heavily against the proposal and for it to be dropped as a longstanding agenda item."<br /><br />I think the problem is twofold: (a) the EPL clubs do not actually believe that there would be a big commercial benefit from admitting Celtic and Rangers; (b) although only two clubs would potentially lose out, it is not clear who those clubs would be, so many would rather not take the risk that it could be them.The Swiss Ramblerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11423088862174893998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-92100247754291298792010-09-04T18:06:00.309+02:002010-09-04T18:06:00.309+02:00Thanks for this, Swiss. However, regarding the EP...Thanks for this, Swiss. However, regarding the EPL possibility...although "turkeys very rarely vote for Christmas", when the farmer comes round to take a couple for the dinner table, it's the stronger ones who'll push the weakest ones to the front. 18 EPL teams will benefit financially by admitting the Old Firm and two will be bumped down a level. If I was one of those 18, it would seem like an easy choice to me. Gobble gobble.<br /><br />Is the problem here that the this vote requires unanimity on the part of the current group of 20 turkeys? If not, why aren't the top 11 (the safest ones) pushing the little skinny birds to the door?CelticGaffernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-26760406104025350122010-09-04T09:40:33.995+02:002010-09-04T09:40:33.995+02:00Excellent article SR, some good stats and reasonab...Excellent article SR, some good stats and reasonable opinions, sadly I was hoping that you had a solution to the current problem ;-)<br /><br />Maybe Celtic should sit tight and wait until the big TV money bubble bursts down south, however I don't see that happening in the near future<br /><br />And so it seems that we are back at the same old question of whether to Twist or Stick!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-88277127420998016482010-09-03T16:27:04.609+02:002010-09-03T16:27:04.609+02:00I don't accept the analysis that Celtic and Ra...I don't accept the analysis that Celtic and Rangers would not bring (a)revenue (b)competition to the EPL, i am sure that the SKY madmen are absolutely salivating at all those creative selling adverts containing references to age old rivalries such as the Scots vs English and of course the great Glasgow derby, offering the prospect of ferocious conflicts on the pitch would generate more sky dishes around the world and SKY know it as for being competitive in the EPL, once both Glasgow giants found their feet in the EPL there ability to generate huge sums along with TV revenues would soon see them up in the top 6 of the league, having attracted the quality of player to allow them to do so.<br /><br />The reason both Glasgow giants are not in the EPL is "turkeys don't vote for Christmas" however i believe SKY will cut through this to sign the Glasgow giants.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-70291814917682551192010-09-03T06:17:36.048+02:002010-09-03T06:17:36.048+02:00Forgot to add expansion fee:
$30 mil for Seattle ...Forgot to add expansion fee:<br /><br />$30 mil for Seattle (15th team)<br />$30 mil for Philly (16th team)<br />$35 mil for Portland and Vancouver (17th and 18th team in 2011)<br />$40 mil for Montreal (19th team in 2012)<br /><br />Shirt sponsorship:<br /><br />MLS Shirt sponsorship <br /><br />Toronto FC $4M-$5M per year <br />Los Angeles Galaxy $4M-$5M per year <br />Seattle Sounders FC $4M per year <br />Vancouver Whitecaps FC $4M per year <br />San Jose Earthquakes $2–$3M per year <br />D.C. United $2.8M per year <br />Chicago Fire $2.5M per year <br />Houston Dynamo $1.9M per year <br />Columbus Crew $1M per year <br />Real Salt Lake $900K per yearAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-54873043443235667992010-09-03T06:11:46.452+02:002010-09-03T06:11:46.452+02:00Great article SR.
Any change you might do a pie...Great article SR. <br /><br />Any change you might do a piece on MLS? It will be unlike any football league you will ever research.<br /><br />The league is all about enforced parity (any team can win the league, you could be the best one year and the worst the next). Each team gets $2.55 mil salary cap to spend. <br /><br />Each team can have 3 DP (Marquee player) who each cost 13.14% of the salary cap. So, 3 DPs will take up almost 40% of the salary cap.<br /><br />According to MLS executive, the DP Rule is also designed to be competitive neutral so not to give any team an advantage. <br /><br />Salaries: <br /><br />http://grant-wahl-soccer.si.com/2010/08/20/mls-player-salaries-crunching-the-numbers/?xid=cnnbin&hpt=Sbin<br /><br />1. New York: $15,666,639<br />2. Los Angeles: $10,978,593<br />3. Chicago: $5,559,103<br />4. Toronto: $5,214,381<br />5. Seattle: $3,118,103<br />6. New England: $2,983,032<br />7. Dallas: $2,924,318<br />8. Kansas City: $2,905,107<br />9. Philadelphia: $2,886,399<br />10. D.C. United: $2,881,530<br />11. Columbus: $2,808,203<br />12. Colorado: $2,710,113<br />13. Salt Lake: $2,645,721<br />14. Houston: $2,565,875<br />15. San Jose: $2,518,590<br />16. Chivas USA: $2,477,548 <br /><br />Here are individual player amounts http://www.mlsplayers.org/salary_info.html<br /><br />Top 3 look like something like this: <br /><br />Beckham 6.5 mil<br />Thiery Henry 6.2 mil<br />Marquez 6.2 mil <br /><br /><br />MLS also just signed a $200 mil ($25 mil a year) deal with adidas over the next 8 years. <br /><br />It has a TV contract (about $20 mil a year).<br /><br />Enforced parity means that successful teams are handicapped from growing. For example, Seattle is averaging 36,000 fans a game and projected to make $40 mil + in revenue, yet its payroll is $3.1 mil. Its profits probably higher than $15 mil. Because it can't translate successful off the field into success on the field under enforced parity.<br /><br />MLS also share revenue: 100% of national tv, 100% of national sponsorship, 30% of each team gate receipts, 33% of transfer fee paid. <br /><br />MLS shirt sponsorship:Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-60486875368271896022010-09-02T23:42:39.412+02:002010-09-02T23:42:39.412+02:00@Anonymous (10:45),
The 2009/10 annual accounts i...@Anonymous (10:45),<br /><br />The 2009/10 annual accounts include £3.1m of exceptional items, which are analysed in Note 3 as £1.7m compromise payments on contract termination and £1.4m impairment of intangible assets (i.e. players).<br /><br />On 17 August, The Scotsman wrote, "Exceptional costs of £3.14 million, incurred mostly by early termination of the contracts of Mowbray and his assistants Mark Venus and Peter Grant in March, contributed to the turnaround from profit to loss according to Celtic chairman John Reid."<br /><br />On the same day, the Daily Telegraph wrote, "Under the heading of ‘exceptional expenses’ is the sum of £3.4 million in unidentified costs.<br /> 'You have to draw your own conclusions but it’s public knowledge that in hiring a new management team and parting with the new management team there are costs involved,' said Dr John Reid, the Celtic chairman."The Swiss Ramblerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11423088862174893998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-41975254812372327052010-09-02T22:45:56.477+02:002010-09-02T22:45:56.477+02:00It would be a good bit of information if it was tr...It would be a good bit of information if it was true. Celtic have not given former manager Tony Mowbray a pay-off as quoted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-57266221675691801102010-09-02T21:43:11.951+02:002010-09-02T21:43:11.951+02:00I fear we're heading for anothe 9IAR and it ai...I fear we're heading for anothe 9IAR and it ain't from Celtic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-29481020963707007402010-09-02T20:56:33.875+02:002010-09-02T20:56:33.875+02:00Excellent article.
Pretty much sums up my own fee...Excellent article.<br /><br />Pretty much sums up my own feelings towards the current state of Celtic, and Scottish football more generally. Having had to endure the last few seasons in a league where the quality is ever-diminishing, I feel the only hope left for us is to get out of the SPL.<br /><br />Unfortunately, as you quite rightly state, this doesn't look like happening any time soon. The English Premier League is probably the most likely option - while not seeming likely at all - and is pretty much what I'm quietly clinging to in my mind out of nothing but wishful thinking.<br /><br />I was slightly encouraged the other day to hear our majority shareholder Dermott Desmond express his view that Celtic and Rangers will end up in England at some point. If it's ever to happen it will be down to the money-men (isn't everything?) and Desmond is certainly one of them. But then I recalled similar kind of talk from him and other Celtic board members from around 2000 - who felt it would happen in the next ten years.<br /><br />So the feeling I've got right now is exactly what you finish your article with - what can we do? I'm afraid the answer may be what we've had to do over the past few years already, and watch the team fade into a pale mediocrity from the same seat we watched the likes of Larsson take on the SPL and Europe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com