tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post3185775341832299017..comments2024-02-29T09:58:18.342+01:00Comments on The Swiss Ramble: Porto's Buy Low, Sell High StrategyThe Swiss Ramblerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11423088862174893998noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-49997521133612939542013-01-30T04:25:36.177+01:002013-01-30T04:25:36.177+01:00"...if Porto were to battle their way through..."...if Porto were to battle their way through countless matches and win the trophy, they would still only get €6.4 million, though that’s better than nothing."<br /><br />I would love to know what your reaction was when they actually went and won it?!Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06404196038754978642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-63974815938265481492012-02-27T10:51:26.735+01:002012-02-27T10:51:26.735+01:00These guys are tight!These guys are tight!epm traininghttp://www.column5.com/epm-training.phpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-88502383749372834462011-02-15T19:20:28.659+01:002011-02-15T19:20:28.659+01:00It is not Andre Villas Boas first appearance as he...It is not Andre Villas Boas first appearance as head coach. Last season he coached Academica.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-4484222402295260892011-01-29T14:14:58.388+01:002011-01-29T14:14:58.388+01:00A general question please: what is included in &qu...A general question please: what is included in "other expenses" item. Summer trips abroad, stadium costs, admin costs etc are ok but what makes it up to 24 m € for Porto, or other clubs?<br /><br />ThanksMustafa Akkayahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06908853309210698994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-5262163433015300412011-01-05T22:47:41.581+01:002011-01-05T22:47:41.581+01:00Great article and great blog!Sometimes even I wond...Great article and great blog!Sometimes even I wonder how we have managed to achieve so much (like six international titles) with so little money!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-20298220928590756262011-01-05T18:07:45.536+01:002011-01-05T18:07:45.536+01:00@Apito Dourado
Didn't Sporting RELESE Pepe?! A...@Apito Dourado<br />Didn't Sporting RELESE Pepe?! And the other clubs didn't want twice the profits from sales, eh?... Sounds kind of fishy... Do you know what heartburn is?<br /><br />Nice article, but I agree that FC Porto scouting network still needs improvementAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-11870522116055556362011-01-05T13:01:36.480+01:002011-01-05T13:01:36.480+01:00This jornalist don't know nothing at all!!
For...This jornalist don't know nothing at all!!<br />For the list of sold players, i can say that :<br />Paulo Ferreira, Derlei, Pepe were stolen from Sporting! YES! Sporting made a proposal for the players that were refused. And they went to Porto for half the price that Sporting offer!!<br />We call this corruption in Portugal, but unfortunately Portugal is the Africa of Europe and nothing happens to Porto managers/leaders.<br />THIS IS THE REAL TRUE!!!!!Apito Douradonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-63142821795384937372011-01-04T22:44:30.603+01:002011-01-04T22:44:30.603+01:00Another FCP fan that had a great pleasure to read ...Another FCP fan that had a great pleasure to read your article, thanks. <br /><br />Fully agree with the comment from Brunovski regarding Olivedesportos. They abuse from the poor financials of Portuguese clubs and their inability to negotiate together. Its consistent strong profit is clear enough to understand this unbalance. I live in the Netherlands and it is amazing that they manage to get twice as much from tv fees, giving that football here is so much less watched than in Portugal.<br /><br />Despite Lucho, Lisandro and Anderson, and in the future Hulk and Falcao, I also have to agree with Jose Rodrigues. Players bought domestically are much more reliable and still very profitable. There are too many dozens of South American purchase flops. Moreover, their high price puts pressure in the coach to make them play instead of the club youth players. Barcelona FC has only 10 players not from its youth team which should be used as a role model (FCP has more than 20, excluding some others on loan)Antonio Allegronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-13833279082833411442010-12-31T10:42:42.157+01:002010-12-31T10:42:42.157+01:00"Oh, and Porto's scouting has some times ..."Oh, and Porto's scouting has some times been praised by the international world. I think it was France Football who said "PSG spent €€€ on renown players who do squat, whilst FC Porto from Portugal buys better players, who do great, for few bucks, and then sell them for the same or more than what PSG spends."<br /><br />It's nice for our ego but to be honest France Football doesn't know a fraction of what I know about the details of FCP buys & sales.<br /><br />Once again: we've done very, very well at following that strategy with players from the Portuguese league (P Ferreira, Deco, Derlei, Pepe, Bosingwa, Meireles, etc), but not with those coming from abroad. And once again, it didn't take any scouting to notice these players in the Portuguese league.José Rodrigueshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09507068969854670890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-7837065904485544912010-12-29T22:28:05.213+01:002010-12-29T22:28:05.213+01:00Great blog. Had a little explore. Any chance you c...Great blog. Had a little explore. Any chance you could have a look at Parma?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-76600862858638616962010-12-23T18:47:54.428+01:002010-12-23T18:47:54.428+01:00Grande artigo.
Viva o Futebol Clube do Porto
A ven...Grande artigo.<br />Viva o Futebol Clube do Porto<br />A vencer desde 1983.<br />SDRuihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12230470728063737163noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-51262456569443963012010-12-23T07:01:28.044+01:002010-12-23T07:01:28.044+01:00Oh, and Porto's scouting has some times been p...Oh, and Porto's scouting has some times been praised by the international world. I think it was France Football who said "PSG spent €€€ on renown players who do squat, whilst FC Porto from Portugal buys better players, who do great, for few bucks, and then sell them for the same or more than what PSG spends. I think it's time for PSG to invest that money on Porto's scouts, instead buying poor players." These are not the exact words, but is the exact idea, since i'm typing this by memory.José Eça de Queiroznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-24236208910468415152010-12-23T06:56:10.147+01:002010-12-23T06:56:10.147+01:00*Last one was meant to José Rodrigues*Last one was meant to José RodriguesJosé Eça de Queiroznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-82687560601623529322010-12-23T06:55:17.033+01:002010-12-23T06:55:17.033+01:00We can argue about scouting, yes, but Porto's ...We can argue about scouting, yes, but Porto's scouting, although you are right, has more to it. Firstly, Porto's scouts actually pay attention, no only to the player, but also to other clubs interested. Porto was interested in Falcao, for instance, way before Benfica, but didn't make a move except when needed to. Why? Lisandro. And as soon as Benfica was interested in him, Porto made an offer, and *surprise surprise* won.<br /><br />Futebol Clube do Porto has more than 300 (yeah, three-hundred) scouts all over the world, being 5 or 6 the leading and managing ones.José Eça de Queiroznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-23132525950728599512010-12-23T06:50:11.472+01:002010-12-23T06:50:11.472+01:00Porto fan here:
@Adil And James rights (35% to be...Porto fan here:<br /><br />@Adil And James rights (35% to be precise) were actually sold, but yes, at that time they weren't. Subscribe to Adil's comment, it is good to see the acknowledgement.José Eça de Queiroznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-43498412462522539712010-12-23T04:43:01.554+01:002010-12-23T04:43:01.554+01:00How much money did Porto make on the sale of Carlo...How much money did Porto make on the sale of Carlos Alberto to Corinithians after that fabled CL run and the quasi-rise of the Brazilian super club (which also bought Carlos Tevez)?<br /><br />That transfer always seemed odd - a Portuguese team buys a Brazilian young, grooms him, and sells him....back to Brazil.<br /><br />Great stuff!Elliotthttp://futfanatico.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-18387184086964901282010-12-22T00:48:35.845+01:002010-12-22T00:48:35.845+01:00Just sold 35% of James Rodriguez today...Just sold 35% of James Rodriguez today...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-28730849293887659652010-12-21T10:14:40.808+01:002010-12-21T10:14:40.808+01:00"Much of this is down to Porto’s world-class ..."Much of this is down to Porto’s world-class scouting network, which is especially formidable in South America."<br /><br />I subscribe many of the top conclusions - but not this one which is way too flatering, not corresponding to the truth - at all. <br /><br />You just need to look at the details of the top 13 most profitable sales since 2004: only 3 out of 14 players were scouted & bought from outside Portugal: Lucho, Lisandro and Anderson.<br /><br />2 of the remaining 11 players were home grown (B Alves and R Carvalho), and the remaining 9 were all spotted and bought in the Portuguese league (Deco, P Ferreira, Maniche, Bosingwa, Quaresma, Meireles, Pepe, Derlei, Cissokho), the vast majority actually being Portuguese themselves.<br /><br />Moreover, even the only 3 players in this list that were spotted & bought from abroad weren't exactly a market secret: Lucho was already a regular in the Argentinian national team; Lisandro had just been the top scorer in the Argentinian League; and Anderson had been considered the best under 20 year-old player in the world.<br /><br />The fact is that FCP has made, since 2004, a considerable financial LOSS in the balance of buys & sales of players that were hired outside Portugal, to the tune of more than 100M€ (even taking the 3 above mentioned players into account already). I think that's a clear indication that FCP's scouting is very far from being that great. <br /><br />What we [disclosure: I am a fierce FCP supporter] are particularly good at is at picking very promising players from smaller Portuguese teams and make them grow & sell them at a high price: Deco, P Ferreira, Derlei, Meireles, Bosingwa, Maniche, Pepe and Cissokho are great examples; and it didn't took any scouting at all to spot & evaluate these players when we bought them (a TV subscription and a glimpse at sport newspapers would have been enough).José Rodrigueshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09507068969854670890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-91226223676365662202010-12-20T09:55:29.127+01:002010-12-20T09:55:29.127+01:00One thing I'd like to add here is that the mod...One thing I'd like to add here is that the model is not, as one might think initially, buy a future star cheap and sell him for the big bucks a year or 2 later. It's buy 10 nameless players for little money, find 1 star among them and sell him a year or 2 later for the big bucks, keep 2 decent players or sell them for decent bucks and transfer the rest to smaller Portuguese teams (usually on loan until the contract runs out). Just the impressive scouting isn't enough for the system to work, they also need the numbers.<br /><br />Magath did something similar in Wolfsburg when he discovered Dzeko and Grafite and turned Mizimovic into a success, there were a dozen or so surplus players that didn't work out and that his successor had to get rid off after Magath left (in addition to those Magath himself already weeded out).Cirdannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-63463490541311727702010-12-13T11:42:10.513+01:002010-12-13T11:42:10.513+01:00Hi
excellent article. im a Oprto fan and indeed a...Hi<br /><br />excellent article. im a Oprto fan and indeed as a fan im always upset with the possible lost of competitive that we can have after a sale, but the reallity is that without this sales Porto could not be the team that it is.<br /><br /><br />Your analisys is only at the last 5 years, but if we look back we can see that since the 80´s. the management of Porto always worked in the same wat.<br /><br />Buy cheap and sell high.....<br /><br />Let me give you some names<br /><br />Vitor Baia - FC Barcelona 6.5M€(1996)<br />Sergio Conceição . Lazio 10m€ (1998)<br />Fernando Couto - Parma 3 M€ (1994 ) <br />Secretario - Real Madrid 1.5M€ (1996 )<br />Zlatko Zahovic - Olimpiakos 13.5 M€ (1999)<br />Mario Jardel - Galatasaray 16M€ ( 2000 )<br />Jorge Andrade - D Corunha 13M€ (2002 )<br />Postiga - Tottenham 9M€ ( 2003)<br /><br /><br />overall the figures we also should think how its possible to such success regarding to the yearly sport activity and at the same time to get the profitality.<br /><br /><br />the chairman of Porto is the oldest chairman in activity. He has almost 30 years of leadership in the same club. The persons that are with them are the same for the last 30 years.<br /><br />the success of a club is like a company.... a vison of the future and to gettransform the weakness in oportunities...<br /><br /><br />Every time we see a person like Mr. Abramovich on the market we know that we will get some extra money.....<br /><br /><br /><br />ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-63758476116195500352010-12-13T03:47:11.690+01:002010-12-13T03:47:11.690+01:00Rambler,
I was wondering if you thought tha...Rambler, <br /><br /><br /> I was wondering if you thought that this model worked only because of having a common language with Brazil, where they can find loads of talented unheard of players? I know other clubs around Europe try this but I don't think it would be nearly as successful in Belgium or Switzerland for example.Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-90543938919037347312010-12-11T14:53:18.820+01:002010-12-11T14:53:18.820+01:00Hi Swiss
Another superb article. I always enjoy r...Hi Swiss<br /><br />Another superb article. I always enjoy reading your research. Many thanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-1438141268702934212010-12-11T11:29:01.864+01:002010-12-11T11:29:01.864+01:00Very interesting article on the curious case of FC...Very interesting article on the curious case of FC Porto.DerbyPowernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-55802452187805795982010-12-11T05:26:54.252+01:002010-12-11T05:26:54.252+01:00Portugal needs to combine leagues with neighbors S...Portugal needs to combine leagues with neighbors Spain or with France. Teams like Porto would double their budget overnight with better TV deals. <br /><br />Hulk seems destined to go to a EPL team due to his size and strength but I think Chelsea and not Man City will get him.<br /><br />I think the UEFA fair play act is going to really hurt teams like Porto. But on the other hand more and more teams (like Lyon, Man City) are willing to raise their wage rates so while a few big teams can't overpay for players more teams can pay for good players (meaning Porto could move 5 guys in 1 offseason for the same net profit as the past).KBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00140063912226053155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-487486960623783530.post-31633667651443018212010-12-10T21:35:52.123+01:002010-12-10T21:35:52.123+01:00@Velasquez
Anderson seems to have lost a yard of p...@Velasquez<br />Anderson seems to have lost a yard of pace and seems to have developed the body shape of a truck driver. In any case spending £22m plus circa £8m (over 3yrs) in wages on a player with "potential" borders on recklessness. In my opinion if any club is going to spend that sort of money then it would make more sense to buy a proven player.<br />An example would have been Wesley Sneijder who cost about £13m and if you add three year wages of £18m this would bring a total investment similar to that of Anderson.Stevennoreply@blogger.com